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7.23.2012

Features: OFWGKTA's Place as Hip Hop's Greatest Group

A bold statement? Yes. An incorrect one? Not necessarily. While we at KWT don't necessarily agree with what the guest author is saying, we love starting controversy and discussion, which is exactly what an article like this will achieve. Allow KWT to pass the baton to the homie Morthland while he attempts to persuade you on the lasting imprint that the OF collective could leave on hip hop for years to come. Haters, as always, hit the comments section.

Article by Michael Morthland (@mmorthland)

As i sit here on l plane back from Florida listening to the new Odd Future album entitled The OF Tape Vol. 2, I wonder where the group that includes some of the most interesting nicknames since RZA, ODB, Q-Tip, and Raekwon, will land after the dust settles on the list of hip-hop's greatest groups. Granted, not to get too far ahead of myself since this list includes such classic names as Black Star, NWA, A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, and the all time greatest Wu-Tang Clan. However, we are two albums, multiple mixtapes, and a psuedo-compilation album into OF's career that is less than 10 years old, and looks as if they have surpassed everything that has come before them. If you want speculation as to how OF made it to the top of the hip hop world, read KWT's article a few months ago, but whatever the reason may be, it seems as though OF is here to stay. 


Recently, I was talking to a good friend and a fellow OF enthusiast about the group, and he said something that made me think and was the main influence behind the authoring of this article. He said, "OF is truly the Wu-Tang of our generation." Immediately, I responded with, "Absolutely the fuck not." Enter the "Wu-Tang was my first hip-hop album I ever really purchased at 13 and remember listening to it all of 5 times within 48 hours never stopping even to shower" argument. I was obsessed with this group that did not give a shit about what anyone said and were focused on doing exactly what they wanted to do whenever they felt the need to do so. It was also the first time that I ever wanted to chill with musicians, represent such groups, and be a part of the incredible music making process that was taking place. In light of all of this, I looked at my friend in disgust and awe as he tried to tell me that anyone could even compare, let alone surpass Wu-Tang's greatness. However, as I continue to listen to Tyler, Jasper, Mike G, Earl, Frank, Domo, and the various other members of OF, I continue to reevaluate my position in regards to my friend's statement and believe that this may not be so far-fetched as I once believed. Before you get all up in arms, allow me a brief time to explain how I arrived at such a belief.

ODB, Raekwon, Method Man, and RZA have forever altered hip-hop as we know it. These artists put a new spin on the genre, taking what they were given by groups preceding them and putting their own color in it and forever changing how we perceived hip-hop. However, their spot at the top together was short lived, ending essentially with the death of Ol' Dirty Bastard, even though there are rumors of a new album to be released this year. So to begin with, Wu-Tang has made 5 group albums with a 6th untitled album rumored to be released over almost 20 years, and, in that time, have sold over 40 million records. Essentially, that is 2 million records sold per year. Odd Future, on the other hand, has only released one full studio album, two mixtapes, and a compilation. Continuing, we must then focus on the solo careers of each of the members all while still maintaining the group as a whole. Let's start with just 4 of the main members of each group. For Wu-Tang: Method Man, RZA, Raekwon, and ODB. For OF, on the other hand, we will say Tyler, Frank, Mike G, and Hodgy Beats. So between the former 4, over 20 years Method Man made 4 solo LPs, plus a slew of appearances and collaborations, while RZA, the glue that held the group together for many years, has 4 studio albums. Raekwon has 5 studio albums that include 4 each at number 2 on the US Hip Hop list for the time, while ODB has 2 studio albums, a few mixtapes, and many compilations. Combined these members have sold millions of records individually over multiple decades. Currently, none of the Odd Future members can compare to that with Tyler, Frank, and Hodgy being the only members with individual solo albums. However, that cannot possibly be the only deciding factor. Look at Britney Spears, for example. She has racked up multi-millions in album sales and she is miserable. No disrespect Brit. Although OF has not been nominated for two Grammy's as Wu-Tang has, they have won an MTV VMA Award that is voted on by the listeners.

But no, it is something about how they handle themselves as a group that may make OF  beat out the Wu-Tang Clan after all these years. If you look at Wu-Tang's group dynamic after their second studio album in 1997, we see a separation in the group, with each member forming their own cliques and barely holding on together as a collective. That was after just 5 short years. OF, on the contrary, is dynamic, eccentric, out of control, and altogether out of their minds, frankly. They are a bunch of teenagers who simply want to have a good time and talk about issues that are important to them. That is the dynamic that attracted me to Wu-Tang in the first place, but after many years that zeal began to diminish, and, although they still remain friends and partners, they are still missing that "it" factor that made them so interesting and incredible, at one point, to follow. On the other hand, we do not find that same decrescendo with OF. Instead of losing interest in the group, I find myself constantly overwhelmed with trying to keep up with everything they are doing. Frank Ocean just released a new studio album which is FANTASTIC, a new TV show, Loiter Squad, that I literally laughed my ass off watching, multiple mixtapes, and to top it all off, Earl Sweatshirt is finally back home and laying down fire on "Oldie." 

Although all good things it must end, it does not look like Odd Future's end will be anytime in the near horizon. Instead, I believe that both as a group and subsequently individually, we will see these guys for many decades to come, releasing new and fresh music for all to enjoy. All the while, they will turn out to be the best hip hop group of all time.

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6 comments:

  1. Horrible article, everyone in Odd Future other than Frank will be forgotten by 2015. Tyler will never be popular among any serious rap fans. The guy is a clown and shows no respect to the legends. Plus his raps are weak, he just says random crazy shit that you would hear in a mental hospital. NEXT Domo Genesis is a horrendous weed rapper. Smoke DZA, Curren$y, and Wiz Khalifa will hold down weed raps for awhile so Domo's gotta find a new thing. NEXT Hodgy Beats. He tries to much to be like Tyler and will forever be in his shadow. NEXT Earl Sweatshirt, Odd Future's best hope. Well, if you drop Earl off in a rap battle in Harlem or underground Detroit, he would get destroyed and laughed off the stage.


    This site is called KIDS Wasting Time and proves the lack of knowledge of the Wu. Wu-Tang was a movement, Odd Future are a bunch off fools trying to be great. Anyone who grew up with Wu Tang would laugh at this article. I expect to read an article next week about how Goblin is better than College Dropout. Goblin was an embarrassment to any true hip hop fan. Songs chanting "Fuck school burn shit" theres no need for that. The youth needs role models, not dumb kids trying to start a riot. Wake up kids, this so called music has a horrible message and isnt helping anyone. Just making kids feel like violence against authority is acceptable

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  2. Relax, bro. Like I said, the article expresses the thoughts of the author, not KWT as a whole. While you may necessarily think he's wrong, others might agree. I, myself, think Wu-Tang is better, but I allowed such an article to appear on the site because we really enjoy creating discussion. Which, obviously through the evidence of your comment, we have succeeded.


    Of course, you're entitled to an opinion, and I don't think yours is wrong. You just don't need to express it in such a hateful way.

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  3. Domo isnt wack, and Tyler isnt really wack either, Earl does more random rhyming without saying anything than Tyler does. Regardless OF isnt better than Wutang, or Gunit or even Dipset. All these groups have way more classic albums,mixtapes,etc than OF does. OF has no real classic yet.

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  4. My friend Enter The Chamber was one of the most influential hip-hop albums of all time. But what made these individuals great as you said was they were members of a group that started a movement and were geniuses in so much as they took what they were given and completely broke off from it and headed into a new movement. If you look at the current wave of hip-hop my friend that is exactly what OF did. With popular icons like Wiz, Big Sean, Mac Miller, Curren$y, etc that is weed smoking/college hip-hop and in all honesty was getting pretty feminine(in style not like they had vaginas). OF did something COMPLETELY different speaking REAL truths in politics, popular culture, and other issues. @Kanye Carter I would agree in saying they are no where NEAR taking hip hops greatest group spot, however, they are poise to make a run for it because they are relevant. I respect them not because they say random shit but because what they say is true, relevant, and speaks to not only me but thousands nay MILLIONS of others. My final thought is this: look at Eminem... For years he struggled as a white rapper in a black community because he was trying to be those individuals. Instead Dre found him and told him to speak about what is troubling him and he did. REspect was earned because we as kids could sympathize with what he was saying. A similar instance is occurring here with OF in that everything that we hold sacred: religion, god, politics, Bristol Palin, B.o.B., hip hop in general is not safe and that speaks TONS to me. Say what you will but I am a student of music and don't claim to know better than anyone but I do claim to not arrived at this conclusion lightly and thought about it in great length. If you wish to do the same let me know then we can continue to talk.

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  5. hungestout If you read the article I do mention that you are correct in that they do not have "classic" out yet. However, they have not been together as a group for that long either. In another 3-5 years if OF has not released a classic I will eat my words I assure you.

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  6. I'll admit they have the chance to have a greater impact on music culture than WuTang. Not only is Odd Future more dynamic (Frank Ocean, Domo's distinct 'weed-head' style, Tyler's versatility, and Earl's wordplay) and they changed the way that people think of record deals with the creative control they have over their product. Of course all of this could be said about the rap collectives before them, the thing which dooms collectives is the fact that they are collectives, G-Unit failed cause of internal disputes and personal issues. Wu-Tang grew apart as they went on doing their own thing, it didnt help that they were all on different labels which would make timetables to work together difficult. Rick Ross probably has the best formula of creating a collective. The thing is these guys are my age (22 - 18) its too early to say anything, yea @Kanye Carter these guys can't hold to industry legends but where were they when they were OF's ages. All we have to do is wait and see how Odd Future turns out in 5 years before we even start comparing them to G-Unit or Murder Inc. in the early 2000s before we think about Wu-Tang comparisons. They have potential to do great thing, but so did JaMarcus Russell before he got a hold of Big Mac's and codine.

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